Interview: Ross Sewage (Exhumed, Impaled, NOT Ghoul)

Some men may not need introductions, but the man of the hour this time deserves it. I got to sit down and chat with Ross Sewage of Impaled, Exhumed, and definitely not Ghoul, and discuss cheese, action figures, hating thesauruses, and why Celine Dion sucks.*

Read below to find out what makes him tick.

With apologies to French Canada, France, Italy, Ireland, Scotland, and my wife.

*I strongly disagree with Ross on the topic.

Ridley: Hey! Hello! How’s it going? This is Ridley for Noob Heavy, sitting down with the one and only Ross motherfucking sewage. Ross, how are you doing tonight? 

Live, with Exhumed

Ross:  I poured a Mai Tai and I’ve had a couple of chips, and that’s it. So this should be interesting.

Ridley:  Well, this will be fun! What albums or specific musicians inspired you to take up bass and make it a serious thing?

Ross: That’s going to be a really sad, silly answer because the answer is going to be Exhumed- because even though I’m in the band now, they were my friends in high school and they had just been getting going for a couple of years, and I started hanging out with them more and more and more. And they started, but, I was just like, getting into Metallica and shit, and they were like, “Here, check out Carcass”, and I was like, “OK. Mind blown”. And I basically just wanted to hang out with my friends more. So I started up this little band with Matt, just doing some demo stuff, and played two shows after I kicked Matt out of the band because he was too busy with Exhumed. And so we played two high school, like, talent shows. One of the songs had death metal vocals and the Exhumed guys, you know, my guys who I’ve been playing TSR Marvel superheroes with and hanging around reading comics all this time are now like, “Oh shit, Ross can do death metal vocals, when did he learn that?  We need a vocalist, and he already drives us everywhere anyway.” So I just picked up right into it and started doing vocals, and then I quickly discovered I did not like being a front-person without an instrument. So I started dicking around more on bass and guitar, and clearly I was never going to be a guitar player, so it was going to be bass for me. So when that slot was open, instead of finding someone else, I just took it on the bass duties. 

Ridley:  Yeah, I was going to say that I came across some super old videos of Exhumed. You were just doing vocals, no bass. And it was a little weird to watch. 

Ross: Yeah, it’s a little lame to watch. I didn’t announce any songs. I really didn’t have a stage presence. I just kind of stood there headbanging. And now, now that I’ve got a bass in my hands, all I want to do is dance all the time. I should have been taking advantage of those times when I didn’t have shit in my hands.

Ridley:  When you don’t have a fifteen-pound instrument around your neck. 

Ross: Exactly. I don’t know. Something about being chained to something makes me feel a lot more creative with my dance moves. 

Ridley:  In the last couple of years took up bass, and every time I play it, I kind of want to boogie. So I definitely understand that. 

Ross: Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, the bass playing- it came largely because I just wanted to hang out with friends. But then, you know, getting more into it, I looked up to legends like Stu Cook and shit. And I’m really like, “look at their bass playing!” and it’s definitely an instrument. I’m proud to play bass and I love being part of the rhythm- this bridge between the rhythm section and the strings and then, you know, getting to do vocals and write lyrics, write music, and the whole thing. Yeah, just came from wanting to hang out with friends. And I suppose in large part, that is still why I do it. I don’t really want to play in bands as like a career, or just make music to make, you know, just for money or something like that. I still play with my friends.

Ridley: With that being said, was there ever, like, a difference in the ways you would approach writing music and lyrics for Imapled versus Exhumed, or Ludicra?

Ross: For writing lyrics? Impaled got really… I actually look back at some of the lyrics and have to relearn some of them now, and I kind of want to punch myself in the face for being so technical. 

Ridley: There definitely are a lot of words.

Ross:  Yeah,  like, some of the words. I don’t even remember the meanings to now. I kind of get kind of I’m like, “Oh, Jesus Christ, the thesaurus is my enemy!” Back in Exhumed, I think there was there was certainly a grossness- I think with Impaled, it felt like a more need to be technical with lyrics and kind of pushed those boundaries to be, like, finding the most difficult fucking rhyme schemes possible and the most difficult words to rhyme and making it work. And there was a lot of challenge in that, whereas Exhumed is a lot more pop song-oriented with verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge-

Ridley: Matt does like a good hook.

Ross: Yeah, yeah. And so there is a lot more hook writing. Certainly, there are lots of puns in Impaled, but they’re a lot more obscure. And with Exhumed, it’s a lot easier to be like not only tongue in cheek, but the tongue can just stick right out the side of the fucking mouth and give you a good raspberry. 

Far left with Exhumed

Ridley: If you had to choose like one favorite or, like, the wackiest lyric you wrote for Impaled right off rip, what would you say it would be?

Ross: Oh, right off the top of my head, I was supposed to remember four albums’ worth of fuckin’ songs!  I mean, it’s not the funniest thing ever, but I still really love just the chorus for “Raise the Stakes”. Just “Raise the stakes, leave them all impaled”. It’s just a clever Vlad Tepes reference, and I was being actually very influenced by Gwar at the time because they had just released, “Violence has Arrived”, and I loved that they had really dug back into their own mythos. And they kind of did “The Song of Words”, which is more of a story about like a team of, you know, a band as a team that was violent against the world. And so that was kind of like inspired by that, Impaled being this quartet of evil doctors or something. Not that we ever delved too far into a narrative like that, but that’s what those lyrics came from. And it was about like, “Here we are. We’re a team. We’re going to go out, we’re going to conquer the world.” I was probably young and idyllic and thought that band could conquer the world, and instead it kind of fizzled out through several labels. 

With Impaled, far left

Ridley: Yeah, labels can suck and that’s always the worst. 

Ross: That’s life.

Ridley: Speaking of lore and mythos, though, how is it building that lore and conceptualizing the story for Ghoul? Because I know it can get super narrative-heavy. 

Ross: Well, I wouldn’t know because I’m not in Ghoul, so let’s just get to that right here. But I talk to them a lot, and I’ve worked with them on layouts and LP’s, and I can tell you that with the lore for that one- It’s so crazy sometimes that some of the members of the band can’t even remember their own history, and it can get really confusing and muddled at times. There’s a sense to be made out of it. I think some of the Ghoul-unatics, especially those that are on the Ghoul Discord and the Ghoul Twitch channel, probably understand the band better than the band members do. But that’s not too much of a surprise because they’re just some idiotic raving drunk cannibals who live under a cemetery. 

Ghoul with Cremator, who is definitely not Ross, far right.

Ridley: I know that you are a big-time G.I. Joe fan and collector. Are there any other toys or hobbies that you are really big into? Or is it mostly just G.I. Joe?

Ross: I’ve been a toy collector my whole life off and on. There was a period where all of Exhumed was going out and buying the Toy Biz Marvel toys from the 90s. So I had a lot of those. I had pretty much all of those up until the X-Force era, and then I gave those away to my friend who was having a child and his child was into superheroes by the time he was a toddler, so those are long gone. Impaled started buying those, you know, Power of the Force, the Star Wars line when those came back. So I was excited for those because I was just able to add those to my old Star Wars collection, which I had kept around and, you know, I was a fairly fastidious kid, and that’s part of why I allowed myself to be a toy collector because so much of what I have is from when I was a kid. I would never just start wholesale buying this shit. It’s way too crazy expensive. So I’m lucky that I have, like, some choice pieces already, so it was more adding to it. And I was kind of like, “Well, I’ll just be content with what I have”, and I think I was on eBay and bought some stuff randomly. Through the mid-2000s, friends were getting rid of, like some G.I. Joe, so I was like, “I’ll take those off your hands for a couple of bucks apiece”, you know, stuff like that. And then I think it was when we were out with Incantation and the venue in Phoenix was right next to a toy store. And I walked in just like, looking around and having fun. And I was like, “Holy shit, I really want some of these old GI Joes that I never had that, you know, that my parents just hadn’t gotten me or whatever”. And so that kind of started the bug where I was like, “Holy shit, I go on tour. I can buy toys while on tour from all these fucking toy shops”. And that kicked into high gear in 2019, when I had I had just drawn and written the Ghoul comic book and was selling copies on the Exhumed tour. So that was just kind of extra cash for me, and I was like, “Holy shit, I can buy more fucking toys with this! I think I’m going to collect this period, or this period.” And then it sort of spiraled out of control during the pandemic, because like all of us, we were looking for things to fill our time in between not working and, you know, try to figure shit out. And my friends were taking some photos of their toys and I was like, I had that. Like, we’ll take photos because it’s like, “OK, I’ll do that.” But I’ve seen toy photography before and I liked it. But I was like, All right, well, I’ll just tell little stories with it. So I started doing that just for fun. But then it started getting me out of the house, and getting me hiking, and getting me bike riding to find, like, locations and having fun with it. And so it became the more intense hobby. And then people were like, “Hey, I got these old GI Joes, I love what you do. Would you bring them to life? I’ll send them to you.” amd I’m like “OK, yes, I will take all of your old toys from your attic and I will bring new life to them”. And so it became a much more giant thing out of that. So that’s my toy collecting. What do I collect…  Largely G.I. Joe, because I discovered it’s the best toy ever after going through all my old Star Wars toys and my old Transformers, a lot of those went to eBay. I do have a small amount of Transformers that I adore that I kept. And I do have some Star Wars figures I’ll never part with, like largely the stuff from the movie Star Wars and a couple of playsets that I find choice like Yoda’s Dagobah. So a few things like that in terms of hobbies, I guess that’s the other thing I would call a hobby. But if you look at my paycheck, you could call me drawing and painting things also a hobby because it certainly doesn’t pay the bills. It is something I like to do. I like to draw stuff for bands when they ask me, draw some hot sauce labels for a friend. I love doing LP layout and design for other bands and other releases. But yeah, that’s definitely not my main source of income. So some could classify it as a hobby. But no, no video games, no smoking weed. So I have a lot of money that would go to that that I could put towards toys. 

Ridley: Do you have a particular favorite figure that was a holy grail for your collection? When you got that, you were like, “Holy shit, this is the one!”? 

Ross: I’m very enamored with, and this one I got as a kid, the mail away Steel Brigade G.I. Joe figure. And that was one where you wrote in your own file card and you were the G.I. Joe.

Ridley: Oh, that’s awesome. 

Ross: And I still have that figure, it’s still in great condition, I love using them in photos, and it’s me, it’s me in three and three-quarters of an inch with a rubber band for intestines, so he’s up there among my favorites, along with another mail order. I love the fridge from the 1985 Chicago Bears Super Bowl. I think they won the Super Bowl that year. So for some reason, they turned the fridge into a G.I. Joe. It’s probably the dumbest G.I. Joe ever. No, that’s not true. There’s much dumber G.I. Joes, but he is ridiculous. It’s just the fridge with a football on a chain, and it makes zero sense. And he’s great. So, yeah, My “holy grail” figures that I never ended up getting were some of the later Star Wars figures. I would have loved to have completed that collection, but I can’t justify it because I’ve decided I don’t really care about Return of the Jedi or Empire Strikes Back, so I curbed my Star Wars collecting in favor of swivel arm battle grip.

Ridley: Good choices all around.

Ross: I like to think so.  

Ridley: Switching back into music, I noticed, especially with Impaled, that there’s a lot of Carcass worship. Was that a conscious decision or was that something you just kind of started doing, or was it something you noticed after the fact? Like, “Fuck it, we might as well keep going with this.”

Ross: Don’t let Jeff Walker read this, but I hate to call it Carcass worship. It was more Jeff. Jeff Walker and Bill Steer and Ken Owen. And you know, they planted a bulb and it turned into this beautiful flower. And so, if I could say I’m not as much worshiping the gardening as impaled, as much as worshiping the flower that was grown. If that makes any kind of metaphorical sense whatsoever. So we don’t go to like Carcass albums and try to take riffs. It’s more of like what they inspired- that kind of groove, that kind of stuff that makes you want to headbang and move around as opposed to the super technical death metal. And then, of course, the lyrics. You know, you’re reading through Jeff Walker’s lyrics, and he’s having a lot of fun with it. It’s medical terminology, so he’s like challenging himself. But then you can see the fun. There are puns galore throughout Carcass’s lyrics. And so he germinated something in us in lyrically that, you know, like, I think musically, I think it takes as much from old Entombed and Dismember as it does from Carcass. There are, of course, Carcass-style hooks that stick out like a sore thumb. I guess it’s harder to pinpoint weird Swedish metal riffs among all that, so you just get pegged as a Carcass worship band. And certainly, once you introduce medical terminology to gory lyrics, there’s only one band you’re ever going to be compared to. So I guess that fine, and I don’t mind being it being that comparison. But I think to call it Carcass worship, I think, would be to undersell the genre that they created because there are bands that obviously come from, like I said, the Carcass seed But they’re different colored flowers there. They smell different. You know?


Ridley: County Medical Examiners is a good example. 

Ross: County Medical Examiners, they said “let’s write a lot of stuff in a major key!” and then Hemorrhage is, you know, Hemorrhage has this more delightful grindcore influence that they’ve stuck to throughout the years. Pathologist comes pretty close. General Surgery ended up, you know like, the first EP sounds quite a bit like Carcass, but then they’ve deviated quite a bit. Since then, of course, they’re still called a Carcass worship band. Does it sound the same as Carcass to death metal aficionados? Absolutely not. You could tell the two apart easily if they were played separately. You know, like the abbey. Like, you know, which one’s coke. You know which one’s Pepsi, but they’re both made of sugar water. 

Ridley: Yeah, it seems a lot of bands that play Goregrind or Goregrind adjacent Death Metal tend to get pigeonholed as Carcass worship. Even though like you said, for a lot of those bands, it’s like their first EP, first demo song, and then they branch out from that entirely.

Ross: And that’s the thing. I think it’s actually incredibly hard to sound like Carcass because if you really pick apart Carcass’s music throughout the years, there is a lot of beats that would never be used in, quote-unquote Carcass worship bands like the stuff that Ken Owen was doing. You know, he’s playing these really slow beats on these occasions over these very Iron Maiden riffs. And you know, it is Carcass, but you would probably never hear something quite like that in a quote-unquote Carcass worship band. So they are their own beast, and I think they’re untouchable to a certain degree, even though the Carcass worship thing gets thrown around quite a bit. But nobody can actually sound like Carcass. Nobody can get the guitar influences that Bill Steer had to make the riffs he did. It’s like calling every grindcore band a Napalm Death worship band. That doesn’t happen, but there are plenty of more bands that can sound really closer to Napalm Death than there are bands that could sound really close to Carcass. 

Ridley: Oh, yeah. I want to say with Dave Witte In the Slave to the Grind documentary who was talking about Japanese grindcore bands, and he said that there are certain bands that, like, you can try your hardest to sound like them, but because of their influences and the like, the spaces they play and the gear they use, you’re never going to get that sound. You can sound close, but you’ll never sound just like them. And Carcass is such a singular band, like, just one unique individual beast of a band that played so many different styles. They invented two genres five years apart from each other. 

Ross:  Right? Yeah. So the target, it’s like, nobody ever says Suffocation worship band. Nobody ever says Napalm Death worship band. So. It’s kind of silly to me, but at the same time, I do understand it, and I’m just going to go ahead and go back to the gardening metaphor.

Ridley: And I like to take that approach with my own band. We are very heavily inspired by Morbid Angel and Obituary, but instead of just sounding like those bands, we try to pull from a wider array of influences. We have that same sound, but with our own spin on it. I feel like a lot of bands spend time trying to reinvent the wheel and really all it needs is just a new coat of paint. 

Ross: Yeah, you never hear Morbid Angel worship being thrown around. It’s only for some reason Carcass that gets that. And maybe that’s even a tribute to their own singularity, in that I’ve heard lots of bands that can sound pretty darn close to Morbid Angel, but I really haven’t, as a fan of Carcass, heard a band sound quite a bit like Carcass, just it’s those taking those same ingredients and remixing them. Whereas, you know, like others, I’ve heard more Cannibal Corpse worship bands that sound exactly like Cannibal Corpse than I have Carcass bands that sound like Carcass.

Ridley: I mean, I’m always game for more Cannibal Corpse worship. It’s just dumb, knuckle-dragging death metal. And that’s what that’s all you need sometimes.

Ross: And then Carcass worship bands are bands who try to be smarter than they actually are.

Far left, with Impaled

Ridley: Yknow, you have a point. So, do you have a favorite piece of gear that you own or a favorite way to dial in your tone to get your specific sound? 

Ross: I would actually probably say my favorite piece of gear… I do think I have a favorite piece of gear, my Ampeg V4B amp. I love that thing to pieces. Every bass sounds pretty fucking good through it. It’s got this growl, it’s got 70278 tubes that break up fairly early, but they’re still loud as fuck. So I don’t really even use what I would call much of a distortion pedal anymore. I took Dan Liliker’s advice that he’d given me 20 years previous. It only took me about 15 years to implement it, and I got a Sansamp pedal. Just the bass DI, I give it a little drive, and then it breaks up it into my V4B so beautifully. And it’s just the warmest tone. It’s a beautifully designed amp. I mean, top to bottom, not only in terms of how it sounds but when you open that thing up and pull it out of the case, it’s got a panel on top and a panel on the bottom, which allows you full access to the entire circuit board for the easiest AMP tech repair that you could possibly imagine. I don’t think there’s been a better-designed amp, even for guitar, too. The V4B was a little bit of an afterthought because so many bass players were using the V4 and were like, “Well, we could change a couple of caps, make it a little more bass-friendly, take the reverb off, and charge the same price. And we, you know, make a little more money because that’s how the industry works”. They really perfected it with that one and in my opinion, with tube amps. So, yeah, that is one of my favorite pieces of gear. I’ve got other treasured pieces. I have an American-Made Iron Bird, have an American-Made Warlock. They’re great. They’re really nice. They’re not always the easiest things to play because they were designed in the 80s. They weren’t made to play super fast Death Metal or grindcore, but somehow the antique V4B -mine is probably from about 74 to 76- somehow that thing is perfect for the exact music I want to make right now. 

Live with Impaled

Ridley: Speaking of music that you’re making, are there any concepts that you would like to explore with Exhumed or any other band you’ve been in that you haven’t gotten to before? Because I know with both Impaled and Exhumed, it’s a lot of horror, a lot of cutting up bodies and disposing of dead bodies and things like that. But are there any other, I guess Lovecraftian or other horror adjacent things you want to go into?

Ross: With those bands, I would say I would definitely like to steer clear of anything Lovecraft did. I’ll leave that to the Florida Death Metal bands I liked. I was I told Matt this when I was in the process of rejoining, and he was writing Death Revenge at the time, and he’d had this crazy concept that was a little more sci-fi oriented and it was similar to what Impaled had done with Death After Life. And I said, Well, you know, here’s the thing- Impaled. It’s right there. Impaled. It’s there, it’s the edge of death and life. And Exhumed after, life is pretty much passed away. So that’s what I think you should focus on. And that’s where Death Revenge ended up going, was being the real-life story of Burke and Hare, whereas Death After Life was inspired by that, and went a more kind of sci-fi realm to explore those kinds of themes, like the passage between life and death. I don’t know if I would really ever want to stray from those realms with those bands. I think “Horror” had one or two songs about zombies on it, and I was like, “I don’t know”. I’m like, OK, well, this is a sillier record. It’s more, you know, Repulsion-Esque, thrash metal. I guess it’s OK, but I don’t feel it’s appropriate for those bands to stray into those realms of Cosmic Horror or something like that now. Now a band like Ghoul, because it happens in their real-life (and they actually meet gods from other realms that come in and fight.) Yeah. They could explore that all the way. But yeah, with Exhumed,  I would like to write some more love songs. Essentially, someone once said, like, every song is a love song and I, to a degree, I find that that’s true if you’re really willing to stretch the definition. But I want some more legitimate love songs. Sure, they’ll involve death and horror and carnage and plague and pestilence. But at the end of the day, we’re all just trying to get laid, so I feel it’s very relatable.

Death After Life artwork – 2005

Ridley: Fair enough. Now, can we expect any more Madonna covers from Exhumed anytime soon? Because that was amazing to witness.

Ross: I fucking wish! I would love to do more Madonna covers, but I would also not like to limit us to Madonna covers. I would love to cover Britney Spears. I would love to cover Falco. I’ve pitched so many song ideas I would like, and then we end up doing, you know, some old Canadian thrash band that Matt likes or, you know, some New York hardcore band that Sean from Impaled likes. So a lot of my pitches end up on the cutting room floor, but I’m hoping there can be some more. If not Madonna, at least some fun pop songs that would be fun to explore within the realm of death metal. 

Ridley: I’d love to see a Celine Dion cover. 

Ross: See, that one I’m going to pass on, I do not like Celine Dion. She’s terrible. No, I need something I can dance to. 

Ridley: That’s fair. I think I just like Celine Dion so much cause I grew up on her music. 

Ross: But are you Canadian? 

Ridley: No, but my grandmother is.

Ross: OK, there had to be a Canadian in there somewhere. 

Ridley: She’s from Quebec, actually. So, yeah, it makes sense. She’s French Canadian with Celine Dion. 

Ross: Of course, she loves Celine Dion. You have to be French Canadian. What? Celine Dion? Because she’s terrible. 

Ridley: I can’t lie to you, I love her music.  

Ross:  You know what? Enjoy what you’re going to enjoy. I do not enjoy Celine Dion. I will take Carly Rae Jepsen over Celine Dion any given day. 

Ridley: How do you feel about Aimee Mann?

Ross: I love Aimee Mann! Aimee Mann’s great.

Ridley: Right on, right on. Me too.

Ross: All right, we have a place to agree. Yes, we met in the middle. 

Ridley: One of the only Rush songs I really go out of my way is Time Stand Still, mostly because of Aimee.

Ross: That’s too bad, Rush is great as far as Canadians go. 

Second from right, with Ludicra

Ridley: You know, that’s a fair point.

Ross: There are great Canadians, just not great French Canadians.

Ridley: Boom, there it is. 

Ross: Wait, actually,  I know that’s not true. Voivod. French, Canadian. I’m a terrible person. Canada’s full of wonderful musicians. I just don’t like Celine Dion. Sorry. 

Ridley: I have a blinding hatred of French people, so I also hate French Canadians. But I married a French person, so. 

Ridley: To be fair, she married an Italian and she doesn’t like cheese. She doesn’t like garlic. She doesn’t like mushrooms and she doesn’t like tomato sauce.

Ross: What kind of…? OK. Doesn’t like cheese? This sounds like a strange French person. I love French people. I love their snottiness. I love their rudeness because, at the end of the day, they’ll still like, introduce you to wonderful things. They’re just going to be assholes about it while they do it. 

Ridley: I know sometime in the next few months, my wife, my mother-in-law, and I are supposed to go out to France to visit some family. So maybe actually visiting France will change my opinion. 

Ross: Oh, God. Just walk around Paris for a day and you will get attitude, but you will also eat the most wonderful food you will yield, you know, get cramps on the street. Look at the beauty and the architecture around you and the French. As I said, the French, they’re assholes, but they’re endearing. They really are. 

Ridley: I mean, it’s the same thing with Scottish people. We are the loudest, most obnoxious people you’ll meet, but we also love everyone for at least the few hours we’re drunk.

Ross: But most of all, I love Scottish people. You just have to know how to avoid a fight. That’s all. 

Ridley: Exactly. I say, just don’t poke the bear too much. But anyway, I think that’ll do it if you have anything else you want to add. Feel free. 

Ross:  I just want to talk shit about more nationalities. Let’s talk about the Irish now.

Ridley: Uh oh.

Ross: The Italians are the worst tourists. Whenever you’re somewhere and you hear loud talking and it’s obnoxious, it’s going to be Italian tourists in Europe.

Ridley: My wife gets on me for being loud all the time and I’m like, I’m Italian and Scottish. I don’t know what you want from me. We’re loud, we sweat and we drink.

Ross: Oh, we were walking through Scotland with some people after a show and some people just walked by us and yelled something in Weegee and we walked right by them and asked my friends- I said, “What? What, what was? What were they? Just what were they just asking us for?” They said, “They told you ‘We want to have a fight’”, like they just wanted to fight for no reason, just to fight. And we said, Nah, not tonight.

Ridley: We’re fine. We’re so good. We’re good. 

Ross: Maybe, maybe tomorrow. Glasgow’s amazing. I’ve had fried pizza in Glasgow. It’s disgusting and I love it.

Ridley: Fried pizza? That sounds…

Ross: They fold it right in half and they bread it and fry.

Ridley: It sounds like the worst and also the best thing I could imagine.

Ross: The first bite was the best thing ever. The second bite made me want to fucking vomit. 

Ridley: I just I can imagine that would do terrible things for my stomach, so I’m probably going to avoid it, but I’m going to enjoy it in theory. 

Ross: OK, well, you do that as Scotch Italian. 

Ridley: If I ever go to Scotland, I will try it because I have to. I am a human garbage compactor with food. 

Ross: That’s perfect. That sounds real. That sounds like a real Italian.

Ridley: There is this really needlessly expensive grocery store we have here called Publix. I only go there because they have Caprese salads every day that are fucking amazing. They have a five cheese tortellini that they make fresh in-store every day. So I found if I mix that with some parmesan cheese pesto sauce and like, really, well, cooked chicken, she’s into it.

Ross:  You got to talk to her, this French person not liking cheeses is blowing my mind. 

Ridley: I know she really sticks to cheeseburgers, which she only gets from McDonald’s because she doesn’t really taste the cheese with everything else thrown on there. 

Ross: Eats McDonald’s cheeseburgers. 

Ridley: It doesn’t make any sense to me. I just accept it at this point. 

Ross: So, no roasted garlic with Brie cheese over sourdough? French bread?

Ridley: No, I tried. I made that for her once because she’s like, “Oh, whatever, I’ll try it.” She took one bite. She’s like, “I can’t do this.”

Ross:  All right. Well, make it for me some time because it’s one of my favorites. 

Ridley:  Well, my guitarist lives in L.A. and I’m trying to be out there around this time next year to do some album stuff. So I will make my way up north and make it for you. 

Ross: Yeah, you’re welcome in my home. Any time I stop, I will stop shit-talking your wife’s dislike of cheese. I’m sorry. 

Ridley: It’s all good. I bully her enough for it. 

Ross: Well, you go to France and you enjoy all the amazing cheeses there. 

Ridley: I am going to enjoy so much cheese, going to go ahead and. Thank you so much for your time. It was really great to talk to you.  

Ross: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. 

Ridley: So I’m stoked. Have a great night!

Ross: You too, take care!

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